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The below sites concern steampunk.
 
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**6 is more of a parody, but does resemble a steampunk costume.
   
 
:Of the five parties written about on this site, the only one I would declare to be truly steampunk is the prison tour. -- [[User:Billy Catringer|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer|talk]]) 14:52, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Of the five parties written about on this site, the only one I would declare to be truly steampunk is the prison tour. -- [[User:Billy Catringer|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer|talk]]) 14:52, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
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== Complaint about Band List Management ==
 
== Complaint about Band List Management ==
 
Hello.
 
Hello.

Revision as of 15:09, 17 August 2016

Welcome

Hi, welcome to Steampunk Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Steampunk page.

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Happy editing, BillK (help forum | blog)

Response from Tissa

Hi, Billy. Yes would love to have you as an admin ... I have been following some of your additions. (and I am a big Girl Genius fan. Let me know if you need me to do anything.) --Tissa.Forrest 02:11, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Billy are you an admin now? If you are could we add "Virtual Worlds" and "Machinima" to the media drop down? And add "Fictional Characters" and "Avatars" to the people drop down. And maybe add them to the home page as well. --Tissa.Forrest 23:19, March 26, 2012 (UTC)


No, not yet. Have you left BillK a message? I suppose that they are still trying to make up their minds about me. -- Billy Catringer 14:45, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I left the message for BillK --Tissa.Forrest 15:06, March 27, 2012 (UTC) So far, I have not heard a word from him. I have continued working on this place as though I am going to get the job, but who knows. I do appreciate your having got in touch with BillK though. -- Billy Catringer 16:08, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Dr. Carmilla

Hi Billy, I'm Maki, the creator of Dr. Carmilla, Nice to meet you! I got a message from Koshernova to join and fill in my details, so here I am ^^

Mx.yamazaki 16:22, April 8, 2012 (UTC) Well, good! I am happy to welcome you aboard. Have fun with your very own page, Maki. -- Billy Catringer 16:27, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Billy! I've added a section on Retrospective-Futurism and interlinked a few of the sections, as well as a couple of minor scripting tweaks to a a couple of pages so that they look nicer. I'll see about working on some of the other pages that I have good knowledge of (a number of them are friends of mine) and possibly start a page on the mechanisms. I've written up the start of the Dr. Carmilla page, but looking forward to helping out over the site in general :) Mx.yamazaki 19:15, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Looking forward to it Billy, and thank you for the welcome. Ms. Sheol 05:34, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

hello there guys loving the site... I am Othniel cope Leader of The Dark Design... Lost and confused like we always say on our ship if you canlt fix it with a wrench then it ainlt worth having... So the interweb scares the willies out of me..


any way well met... I've uploaded the Dark Design logo and I'll buy a drink to th fella or fellowette who can get it on the Dark Design wiwk page ..


Kind regards,

Othniel Cope...

Hi Billy, I edited the talk page for steampunk bands as I felt that it was no longer appropriate since the changes you have made to the page criteria. Thank you for your continued openess to editing and updating of the page.

Sincerely, Sheol.

Image Licensing

Hi Billy, I'm an admin that's been away for a while and I really appreciate you picking up the slack while I've been gone. That said, however, a user brought some concerns to me about the image liscensing policy that you have implemented. I certainly do not want to take sides, but I was hoping to discuss it with you. Although liscensing is important, it is not necessary for every image on the wiki to be liscensed and to insist that every image be liscensed will discourage casual editors and stunt the growth of our already small wiki. I would also like to remind you that blocking is a last resort and not to be used against a user who questions or disagrees with you. There are some other policy issues that I would like to discuss with you as well, once we discuss and refine the image policy. --DreamPunk 23:16, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Allow me to explain. I don't like lawyers. I don't like the games they play, or what they turn people into. If you don't mind taking the risk of being called into court over an image someone uploaded to this Wiki, then by all means, come back and take over. Until you can come back, I will run it as best I can, okay? You seem to think that I was too harsh with Scarecroe. I think I was too lenient given his attitude.

I will remind you that ABC just might consider this another network that is going out of its way to make money off of one of their shows. Wikia does sell advertising, right? That is something that the Wikipedia does not do, yet it has a very strict policy about copyright violations. Why do you suppose that is? -- Billy Catringer 00:02, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Clockpunk/Media

I recommend that the 'Category:Clockpunk' be deleted since the only page there is a redirect. How is a redirect deleted?

Many pages in the media category do not list a category/ies in the box in the lower right (edit function view). Where are the category links?

Syalantillesfel 18:08, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

You must be an administrator before you can delete a redirect page. I will see to it. -- Billy Catringer 22:11, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Neo-Victorian

The "Neo-Victorian" movement should be given a page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Victorian

Syalantillesfel 22:34, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oddly enough, I have been trying to find the time to do just that, but I wanted to finish working on a timeline for potential writers of steampunk stories. Why don't you go ahead and start such a page and I will join in as you progress? -- Billy Catringer 14:02, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sim Game

These are 2 websites that are focused on the steampunk sim game.

Syalantillesfel 04:42, July 1, 2012 (UTC) Unfortunately, I am one of those curmudgeonly old farts who knows little to nothing about games. I have had a look at the games list and it is an unholy mess. Many of the titles listed should be removed in any case. My grandson plays the Zelda series of games and they have little to nothing to do with steampunk. Fantasy, yes. Steampunk, no! Are you prepared to tackle that list and start over from scratch with it? -- Billy Catringer 16:59, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Steampunk Games

I do not know enough about computer games to revise the games list. If somebody does revise the list then the below games should be added. They qualify as steampunk for these reasons: there is a steampunk-like robot, the fashion is victorian, and they are set in the correct time period.

Syalantillesfel 07:29, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Other steampunk wiki sites

Please take a look at these websites and consider linking this wikia to them. They are about steampunk fashion, culture, and roleplay.

Syalantillesfel 07:35, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Steampunk internet series

This series deserves a page in the media category.

I will add this show to the list and create a page for it with a stub notice. Beyond that, the work belongs to the other members. I am here to be the referee. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 01:55, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Treasure Planet

I have removed this animated movie because it does not fall into the category of Steampunk. High fantasy? Yes. Way out science fiction? Perhaps. A wild and wooly remake of a Stephenson classic? Yes. Was it Steampunk? No. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 04:38, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

I would consider it steampunk; it carries many elements of steampunk mixed with sci-fi and fantasy. While "pre-Victorian" (yeah... let's go with that...) it certainly at the very least borrows heavily from Space: 1889 and from steampunk machinery. Of course, it is not "pure" steampunk, but then again, many things are only "steampunk influenced" and still get an article or stub on this Wikia. -Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 16:29, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Page deletion

This page should be deleted.

"Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood"

Syalantillesfel (talk) 23:21, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Done! -- Billy Catringer (talk) 04:58, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Please add not waving but drowning. wavingdrowing.com if you see fit. - Drownballfan

This is a Wiki, Drownballfan. If you want to add it, then add it and wait for a reaction from the other participants. I will not add anything simply because you, or anyone else for that matter, have requested it. This is a more or less self-filtering site. The very first barrier for an article iis that it be important enough to a reader so that he or she will make it an addition to the wiki.-- Billy Catringer (talk) 22:06, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Totally Spies

Please watch this episode of "Totally Spies". It could qualify for a page since the Coffee villian has a vaguely steampunk appearance. I would like a second opinion before creating a new page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qx6Ona5jRc

Totally Spies Season 3 Episode 57 - Evil Coffee Shop Much? FULL

Syalantillesfel (talk) 08:33, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

This does not qualify as Steampunk. It is set in the wrong century and in the wrong place. It must be set in a situation or universe wherein steam is used as the primary means of transmitting power to qualify as Steampunk. Were it set in nineteenth century California, Hollywood was created in the late nineteenth or early twentieth century, or if it were set on another planet where steam was being used as the primary transmitter of power, it would qualify. Having one character with a complicated mechancal system for a limb or some other such nonsense does not qualify it as steampunk. Sorry. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 15:10, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Template Added

As requested (and since I couldn't get a hold of Sings-With-Spurits... ;D), I added the Resource template; it can be viewed here: Template:Resource. --Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 17:58, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

My apologies for mispelling your handle. Thank you for creating the templates. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 18:58, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Steampunk Halloween

Thank you for the "Totally Spies" reply. Would you agree that the Coffee villian was a parody of steampunk?

The below sites concern steampunk.

Of the five parties written about on this site, the only one I would declare to be truly steampunk is the prison tour. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 14:52, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

http://steampunkhauntedhouse.com/

http://www.thesteampunkempire.com/

I visited the Steampunk Empire and even joined it. Perhaps I should have done more by now, but I have since run very short on time. As you can see from the link, I have already created a page for the Steampunk Empire.-- Billy Catringer (talk) 14:52, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Syalantillesfel (talk) 08:30, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


The villain? Yes, definitely. The show? No. You can have a steampunk character in a non-steampunk setting (just look out the window! :P ), but simply having a steampunk character does not make a whole film or series steampunk; one has to weight the esence and body of the series to make that determination.
Regarding the sites; http://www.thesteampunkempire.com/ is an excellent resource, the 5-Halloween Parties site... not so much, and curiously enough, http://steampunkhauntedhouse.com/ is actually advertising a non-steampunk goth-esque play. Just remember that adding gears and goggles does not make something steampunk; you can have steampunk influences without actually being steampunk.
I know it sounds like splitting hairs, but it does take effort to actually be steampunk, not just steampunk-influenced.
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 12:29, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Complaint about Band List Management

Hello.

I am the composer and singer in Moloch 11811 and I have felt really bad when I read the reason for which we were deleted. Can you tell me where do you find the Neo Nazi ideas in our music? But please try not to find other ideollogies from the WWII era or before. All we do is dystopic.

88.2.204.213 16:09, December 16, 2012 (UTC)Moloch 1181188.2.204.213 16:09, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


Well, whoever you are, you must realize that when I came in as administrater, the band list was in terrible shape. It was clear to me that business managers and agents were simply dropping their off-beat and hard-to-define bands on this site. Many of them were unspeakably bad. Some were marginal, but most of them simply were not in the Steampunk genre at all. If you think that your band was deleted from the list unfairly, I will examine the situation as best I can. Is the name of your band Moloch 11811, or is that your handle?

Kindest regards,

Billy Catringer (talk) 18:53, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

I understand the kind of chaos that you could find here and I understand too the confussion of genres. Moloch 11811 is my band and we go from industrial to dystopic themes. We have been broadcasted in steampunk podcasts and things like that. What's the way to define what is steampunk or what doesn't is?

Thanks for your attention.

88.2.204.213 19:10, December 16, 2012 (UTC)Juan Monzón88.2.204.213 19:10, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


I don't know who suggested that your band is Neo-Nazi or even fascist. It isn't. It does focus on dystopian situations--which is fine, a great many steampunk stories do just that. It is not, however steampunk. At best I would call it dieselpunk, but it only barely qualifies as that either.

To answer your question about what does qualify as steampunk, read the preamble to the band list. Remember, that in my view, Steampunk is first and foremost a literary genre, not a music genre, therefore, when it comes to bands, I do my best to accept everyone that I can. I have yet to see your costumes or shows. Is there a link you could provide me with or a picture that you could show me? Given that the standards are very loose when it comes to what is or is not steamppunk music, your costumery often makes all the difference. Simple grunge will not do, nor will Victorian era dress do the job, because little to none of your stuff is set in the Victorian era. Your stuff is set druing WWI and WWII, possibly even later. There is not a whiff of steam in it. There is, however, the stench of diesel.

Regards,

Billy Catringer (talk) 19:27, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Steampunk -- The Time Machine

I found this novel, but am unsure if it qualifies for steampunk. According to amazon.com it is a real novel.

http://timemachine.wikia.com/wiki/The_British_Empire:_Psychic_Battalions_Against_The_Morlocks

Syalantillesfel (talk) 06:04, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

At only $1.79 per copy I downloaded it and will let you know if it is. For now, we should hold off on it because I think it may well be a send-up of steampunk and Ayn Rand. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 06:18, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Morlocks review

Your review of "Morlocks" reminded me of a book that sounds similiar in quality because of the art work and title. Thank you for reviewing "Morlocks".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNXSTO1DLHs

It appears at about 4:20 on the video.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 06:43, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Harry Harrison is a fairly well known British science fiction author. When I was a kid I would buy one of his books if I could not find a book written by Heinlein. Having said that, I do not know about that particular book. Everyone writes a dud now and again. Heinlein's was the Number of the Beast. --Billy Catringer (talk)

Alice--Steampunk

For a video game, the creator's design of the steampunk dress is mostly accurate.

http://alice.wikia.com/wiki/Steamdress

Syalantillesfel (talk) 13:56, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Mata Hari

Sites and references for steampunk graphic novel.

http://readordie.wikia.com/wiki/Mata_Hari#The_Mata_Hari_Legend

The comic book writer and graphic novelist Alan Moore is apparently fascinated by Mata Hari, who makes several appearances in his work. Mata Hari is also a main character in the recent "steampunk" graphic novel series Alter Nation,

http://imagecomics.wikia.com/wiki/Alter_Nation_Vol_1

http://imagecomics.wikia.com/wiki/Alter_Nation_Vol_1_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Adams_(comics)

Syalantillesfel (talk) 03:17, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


I can readily see where a story about Mata Hari would fit into the Steampunk or even Dieselpunk genre. The other comics you linked to are a puzzle to me. Why do you want them in this Wiki? -- Billy Catringer (talk) 05:35, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I included the Adams and imagecomics links for sources, so you could decide if "Alter Nation" deserves a page.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 07:03, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I will need to take another look at those. Go ahead and start a page for the Mata Hara series by Alan Moore. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 10:29, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Samurai Champloo

Samurai Champloo artwork. Even though the anime has nothing to do with steampunk, I am posting this because the artwork by itself is related to steampunk.

Only if you are able to show that you have gotten permission from the copyright holder of the picture, Sylantillesfel. I know that there are still a great many pictures on this site that are not fully documented, but that must stop somewhere. If you will look around this wiki, you will see that I have been tough on this issue in the fairly recent past. I am not in a position wherein I can tolerate pictures being uploaded to this wiki without the appropriate permission or the work already being in the public domain. This is clearly fan art, not the original artist and so you should go get the artist's permission to use that particular picture. You also must fill out the license form to go with it. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 14:11, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

http://yoyoninjagirl.deviantart.com/art/Steampunk-Champloo-173796484

http://www.spookhouse.net/angelynx/comics/amalgam.html

Syalantillesfel (talk) 13:31, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Err, well, the Anime series entitled Samurai Champloo is set during the Meiji restoration which started the Meiji period which started in 1868 and ended in 1912, so technically it could be part and parcel with matters Steampunk.  Although, and this is a very important issue, there is little to nothing steamish in the story. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 05:21, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

If I may, I'd like to add that just because something takes place in the Victorian/Edwardian Era, does not mean it is steampunk. Look at 99% of Westerns, both in print and on film, or Little House on the Prairie, which is certainly in the right era. Sometimes a hint of steam surfaces, such as in Lone Wolf & Cub's baby cart volley gun, but beyond it, there is nothing steampunk about it. -- I'm all for expanding the definition of steampunk, but there are things that need steam-powered jackhammers to fit into the category. On the other side of the coin, just adding gears to something does not make it steampunk. -- Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 13:39, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 14:14, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

War of the Worlds: Goliath

I believe that this qualifies as steampunk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Worlds:_Goliath

http://waroftheworlds.wikia.com/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds:_Goliath

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=war+of+the+worlds+goliath

Syalantillesfel (talk) 05:25, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, this is actually dieselpunk, not steampunk. You have gasoline engines in the aircraft with all the other large vehicles being driven by steam or diesel just as they were during WWI and WWII. The technology is just a wee bit too modern for steampunk. So, go ahead and include this, but label it as dieselpunk, not steampunk. The fact that it has Adam Baldwin in it is a major plus as well. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 06:19, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Warehouse 13

are you a fan of warehouse 13

I was for a while, but it became so politically correct that I decided that it was not worth my time. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 02:06, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Fashion, Other wikias

This list for about wikis and sites related to steampunk. The steampunk wikias are for more information. The youtube and airlords sites are for information and maybe new pages.

So, you know the drill, right? Whenever you find something you believe warrants a page, create a page for it. Be as brave as those folks who made the Airlords of Aria and let it rip! -- Billy Catringer (talk) 22:12, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Syalantillesfel (talk) 15:17, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

This is a long list of very interesting links, Syalantillesfel. What do you want me to do? I think I know, but I want to read what you think on this subject. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 19:38, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

The Assassination Bureau

Before I create pages for this media, I would like your opinion.

Unlike "Airlords", this appears to be a short film, not a series.

The film has a zeppelin, but is more of an action-comedy set in the Edwardian Era.

Right on both counts! Aurora is definitely set in the Early Edwardian Era, and is very much steampunk. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 15:18, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
I have an appointment with my urologist this morning, Syantellist. I will get back to you this afternoon or in the morning. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 13:48, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
I am giving you a go on this one as well, Syalantillesfel. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 15:23, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Lee Presson and the Nails

I'm a regular contributor to the steampunk music scene over at Wikipedia. I added a page on your List of Steampunk Bands page for Lee Presson and the Nails. (Including a couple of edits where I wasn't logged in - sorry.) While they are not a steampunk band, they fit more in the musical/looks range of dieselpunk and have become headliners at steampunk cons on the West Coast in the last few years (largely due to the fact that they run in the same circles as the creators of the Great Dickens Fair and the Neverwas Haul; Lee Presson also cosplays as Edgar Allan Poe at the Dickens Fair and also did a reading at the last Steampunk Symposium), so by rights they ought to have mention. I wasn't sure how you wanted them labeled so I'm just letting you know they're there. Jonny B. Goode (talk) 05:14, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Please list them as a Desielpunk band, Mister Goode. Thanks, -- Billy Catringer (talk) 11:48, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
On their page, or on the main "List of Steampunk Bands" page? Jonny B. Goode (talk) 05:14, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
In both places, please. Thank you, Mr. Goode. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 11:30, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Steampunk videos

Steampunk videos

Syalantillesfel (talk) 02:51, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

I like the two of them so much I would like to see them on the front page of this wiki. Let's do them one at the time using the first one to replace the current video by PBS and then use the second one in place of the first for a couple of months. We should also create an archive page for videos of this nature. I would also like to squeeze in the video on that steampunk apartment in New York City. It is up for sale and the asking price $1.6 million. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 09:35, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

By all means, Syalantillestel, proceed at once if you please. I am obliged to take my father to see his doctor today. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 09:12, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

The page first needs a good title, "archive page" is too bland and I cannot think of a better page title at the moment. Syalantillesfel (talk) 09:26, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

The Emporium Videotheque
Videothecaria
Video Collier
Too un-bland? ;)

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 12:45, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

How about, Digital Odeon? -- Billy Catringer (talk) 18:07, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
Kinetothèque!

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 19:35, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Has a nice ring to it...go ahead and use that title. If later someone says it confuses them we can always come up with another title for it. This one is odd enough to provoke curiosity. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 23:23, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

I set up the page and copied the list over. However, I'm terrible at organizing stuff with videos.

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 01:31, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

That's okay. I'll have a look at it and try to clean up. I'm not all that good at organizing anything either. I got this job simply because no one else wanted it and it was in bad need of having some semblence of order imposed on it. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 04:53, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Categories - Written

Hi!

Just a heads-up that I did away with the "Literature" category and created a new category called "Written Works" to replace it.

I noticed that there seemed to be some confusion as to what was or was not "literature", so hopefully this change will make sense. I'm leaving the category "novel" as most significant works fall under this category, but these two categories should not be mutually exclusive.

I hope you don't mind the change.

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 22:50, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

What is the difference between a novel and a written work?Syalantillesfel (talk) 06:08, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

A Novel is "A fictional prose narrative of considerable length, typically having a plot that is unfolded by the actions, speech, and thoughts of the characters." By definition, it is a written work.
Written Works include novels, the shorter novelettes, the even shorter short stories, as well as poems, epic poems, journal articles, magazines, how-to books... The actual form (paper, PDF/DOC/TXT or papyrus and animal hides) is not relevant, but the length is pivotal; This article may be useful to understand the differences.

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 14:28, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, if a story has only one plot, then it is a short story. Short stories can be written to any length, but they have only one plot. If a story has a main plot and at least one sub-plot, then it is a novel. Older novels would often have mulitiple casts of characters and more than one main plot and several subplots going all at one time. Rather like a soap opera on TV. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 00:17, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

That is one theory, which is not universally accepted among writers, editors or publishers. Regardless, For purposes of classification in this wikia, two factors should be paramount; sheer length, which is easy to determine and is, for the most part, inarguable; and secondly, what it is called by the author and/or considered by general consensus.
For example, the Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde is a novella, but is widely considered a novel; given this, its length (and its major degree of steamy goodness... ok, three criteria then...) I'd put it in the category of "Novel". We could make distinct categories for novella, novelette, long-form short story and short stories, but I think that might be confusing to a casual wiki user and might leave us with a few orphan categories or 2-entry categories.
I will say that I do find it really hard to consider a 40,000+ word narrative a "short story" by any definition, though.
Then again, stringing multiple short stories together under one binding and calling it a novel is a time-honored tradition. Depending on the topics of said short stories, we might consider it a novel (same author, common characters/topics), short story collection (same author, disparate characters/topics) or anthology (multiple authors).
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 01:13, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Concerning word count and length. The length is not reliable factor. Also, authors often write longer books as a series goes on even though the added length does not always create a better story. Clive Cussler, Tom Clancy, and David Weber are examples where a book series increases in length per book.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 23:39, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Universal Studios

Syalantillesfel, I dare not even think about writing an article for this place. I am diabetic and just thinking about it nearly drives me into acidosis. If you want, you may write an article for it. If you do write about it, then post a link to it in the article on Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory. We should also probably squeeze something in about the original book, Carlie and the Chocolate Factory, as well. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 01:14, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Terry Gilliam

http://doubleosection.blogspot.com/2010/12/terry-gilliam-godfathers-steampunk.html

Having read up on the topic you linked to, Syalantillesfel, it sounds exciting, but it is at a stage where it might still be easily abandoned. Let's wait on doing an article for it and see if it comes to actual fruition. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 09:54, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Gaslamp

The below TV series seems to be a combination of Victorian Era authors and the Gaslamp fantasy genre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Dreadful_(TV_series)

Syalantillesfel (talk) 23:42, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Based on the actors alone I'll watch it!
That being said; it's got Victor Frankenstein, his monster and Mina Harker. It certainly sounds like it's aiming for steampunk audiences, but I'd hold off making a page until we can confirm that it is indeed steamy and not "a modern reinterpretation" with about as much steam as a fiberoptic cable.

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 02:24, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Sings-With-Spirits. Let's wait and see. I don't get Showtime as it happens. Does one of you get that service? -- Billy Catringer (talk) 07:59, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

I do not. -- Syalantillesfel (talk) 08:01, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps we should create an upcoming events page using this "might be a new steampunk cable series" as the first item on it. Then invite regular users to contribute to it with concerts, cons and what have you. We really do need a news page like that after all. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 08:04, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Arcanum

Other than the artwork and title, this seems an uncertain addition possibility.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 02:24, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

I do not have the hardware to make a good assessment of this game. However, just based on what I have seen, we should add it to this wiki. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 17:44, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Clothing

Syalantillesfel (talk) 05:01, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Victorian Era

I realize that "Sex and Sexuality" may be a more technically accurate term, but in modern parlance "sex" has come to be seen primarily as the act.

Perhaps a better choice would be "Gender Roles and Sexuality".

Considering the recent vandalism, I believe it would be the more prudent course of action.

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 20:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism will happen regardless of the section title. "Sex and Sexuality" is more accurate. Syalantillesfel (talk) 09:22, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I must insist on being GC, "grammatically correct." Gender is for pronouns, sex is for biology. Sexuality is for psychology. So be it. The language does not change if we do not change and we are living in some very dangerous times. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 00:36, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Ergo "Gender Roles" instead of plain ol' "Gender". I really don't much care either way, but when I see "sex and sexuality", my dirty ol' mind reads "the act of sex and its relationship with sexuality". But it's your call.
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 01:37, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
No, I am tired of of the word "gender" being misused merely for the sake  of being polite.  The word "gender" is only applicable to pronouns. There are types of sexuality, but no "gender roles." Gender is a grammaticall term. Sexuality is a psychological term. Sex is a biological term. This division makes one's thinking tidy, not dirty. There is nothing inherently dirty about sex. It is a thing of joy and a celebration of life and liviing. This should be clear to everyone, including homosexuals.
Having said this, I must also point that some sexual behavior is reflective of a mental illeness.  Molesting children for sexual pleasure, and the systematic degradation of one's partner are the only two "dirty" forms of sexuality that I can think of, both should be illegal and the former is illegal. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 15:12, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Hullabaloo

Syalantillesfel (talk) 17:32, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Created a page for this project today. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 00:00, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Time Magazine

Syalantillesfel (talk) 00:38, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Magazines

Syalantillesfel (talk) 00:38, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Please create a separte list for these on the List of Steampunk Literature page. If you have trouble with that, drop me a line. Thanks. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 21:41, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

The List of Steampunk Literature page lists works of fiction in the cyberpunk genre; these articles don't qualify as works of fiction. Maybe they would be better served by having their own page. --Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 02:00, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Please make it so. I am late for a doctor's appointment. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 19:48, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Bioshock

The Big Daddy is not steampunk, but the design is so close it deserves a mention.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 06:58, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. The Bioshock series is set in the late 1940's and early fifties. The suits they are using for the "Big Daddy" creatures are still in use today. There isn't a hint of steam to them and they do not bear any mention in this wiki. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 08:25, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
What I meant was that it was similiar enough that I wanted to mention it to you as trivia. Like the "Totally Spies" reference, the series was not steampunk, but the coffee villian design was influenced by steampunk. -- Syalantillesfel (talk) 08:38, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
I checked and all three games have already been listed in this wiki. All three versions of it should be noted as having a deiselpunk setting. Dirigibles were not in operation until well into the Edwardian Era, making them a dieselpunk artifact. I would also mention that the games are based on stories with a very strong leftist bias. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 08:27, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Makeover

Hi Billy! My name is Ariana- I'm on the Community team over here at Wikia. I was checking out your awesome wiki and was wondering if you'd be open to a main page makeover? This would include a new background, new themed headers, some more main page content to highlight the pages on your wiki, and maybe a new logo.

Let me know what you and Sings-With-Spirits think! Thanks :) Best, Asnow89 @ (profile)•(talk) 18:58, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

I am all for it, but I would request that you check with Sings-with-Spirits and Syalantillesfel first. They are my right and left hands. Would you allow us to preview before making the new pate public? -- Billy Catringer (talk) 08:19, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
I have no problem whatsoever; Ariana is a whiz who's done wonders for a couple other wikias I'm working on. Her work is first rate. ;)
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 16:47, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. What about you, Syalantillesfel? Would you like to have our home page overhauled? -- Billy Catringer (talk) 01:31, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the home page should have a new layout and design. -- Syalantillesfel (talk) 01:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, Asnow89, you have a go to rework our homepage. Lemme know once you have something to show us. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 09:44, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Great, thanks Billy! I will work on something today or tomorrow and send you a link when it's ready. Asnow89 @ (profile)•(talk) 17:52, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, great news, Asnow98. Please drop my right and left hands notes as well as soon as you have something ready for review. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 18:29, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Billy! I made some main page updates. I kept your background because I thought it was pretty cool- but if you're interested in a new look, I'm happy to create a new one! Let me know what you think and if you or Sings With Spirits want anything changed :)

Best, Asnow89 @ (profile)•(talk) 00:27, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

There is one more thing I'd like to trouble you about, Asnow89, if I may. Please change the picture for the link that leads to the games list. The game that picture comes from is actually deiselpunk, not steampunk. Thanks, -- Billy Catringer (talk) 23:29, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
Here is the picture I would like to see used for that link:
MystCover.png
Thank you very kindly for your efforts, Asnow98. I looked at the new homepage and am deeply impressed with your work. However, there is were two links that did not work. One was to the list of steampunk authors and I fixed that by rebuilding the list. The other is the link to steampunk games. That one absolutely refuses to work. It may well be something that I or one of my other admins have done, but I would appreciate your taking a look at your work and verifying that has not been caused by your code.
Also, there seems to be two the same advertisement playing at the same time at the bottom of the page. Not only is it annoying, it causes the Adobe Flash plugin for my browser to abruptly crash. Is that of your doing, or is it the way the Wikia works nowadays?
Many thanks, -- Billy Catringer (talk) 19:36, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
The games may have been me: I renamed the original page from "List Of Steampunk Games" to the properly decapitalized "List of Steampunk Games"; since Wikia gets kinda wonky with missing capital letters in mid-title, That might have been an issue.
Working on it, by the way.
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 20:27, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
Fixed it; turns out the issue was not my decapitalization, but the fact that there was another redirect at "List of steampunk games"; the pic on the front page was directing to the double-pipe. I removed the older pages and now the link works.
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 20:44, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, good. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 23:27, November 7, 2014

Hi Billy! Looks like Sings-With-Spirits made the change. Let me know if I'm wrong, in which case I'm happy to change anything else! (For the "browse" section, I just used the links from the original template that was there. Absolutely change anything you feel like!) Asnow89 @ (profile)•(talk) 17:44, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Also, my apologies- just seeing your previous messages now! ( I don't get a notification when you reply on your own talk pagequalify). Glad to see Sings-With-Spirits got the links working. As for the ads, unfortunately that is entirely out of my control. It might just be a temporary thing while there is a promotion going on- but if you're logged in, you will receive fewer ads. Asnow89 @ (profile)•(talk) 17:46, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

As daffy as this sounds, I could not seem to puzzle out how to change the picture you used to link to the games part of the site, but I did finally get an editor I could recognize and load to come up. It was all downhill after that. Thank you for your help. Our home page looks so much better now that I am at a loss of words. Thank you so much for your help. Never mind about the doubled ads. I am sure that wikia will eventualy correct that. Feel free to stop by and help us with out editing any time. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 17:57, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Authors

What is the difference between these 2 pages? They should be merged.

Syalantillesfel (talk)

The first link is to a page entitled "List of steampunk authors." It does not have any mistakes in it. The second is to a page entitled "Steampunk authors." On that page, someone has made an attempt to split the list up into to separate categories. One category is for historical authors it calls "Percursors" and a second part entitled "Authors." Many of the people listed in both categories are wrongly placed. I would start over with the first list, by renaming it List of Steampunk Authors, and then breaking it up between the authors who wrote in the science fiction genre bakc in the nineteenth and ealy twentieth centuries and then the genuine steampunk authors writing works in the genre today. I would also try to flag any and all deiselpunk authors if their are any. Oh, and then there is Kage Baker whose work is mainly "clockpunk," rather than steampunk or deiselpunk. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 13:20, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to remove the external links in the entries, leaving them as internal dead links to serve as a guide for future articles. As it is right now, there isn't much incentive to create the articles, since the external links generally suffice.
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 21:06, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
PS.; I placed a placeholder image on the page, since I hate seeing articles without pics. --Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 21:09, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
I almost agree with you on removing the external links. We should almost certainly create a page for each author on the list and then place external links on those pages with the stub notices on each page when appropriate. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 01:43, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
Done. Hopefully I'll be able to start filling out some of those pages soon.
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 01:45, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I am working on the article about Future Boy Conan. I will have to add an author to our list of current steampunk writers. It turns out that Miyazaki based the series on novel. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 09:18, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Billy!! Appreciate it. On a semi related note-- I wanted to let you know about this Steampunk Challenge we created. The idea is that users can dress up their favorite celebrity/fictional character in a steampunk outfit. Right now, we have a nomination post open for who people want to dress up. Thoughts?

Let me know if you have any ideas for the future! We thought it could be a fun monthly thing if you and the community are interested in it.

Best, Asnow89 @ (profile)•(talk) 23:30, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Go right ahead. I am entirely too busy to take part in such a contest, but I'll root for the participants from the virtual sidelines. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 23:13, November 13, 2014 (UTC)


Amazon.com external links

Hi!

I was just looking at the List of Steampunk Literature and noticed that there are several external links to Amazon.com pages in the list.

I think that this is not the appropriate location for said links, I'd prefer leaving a dead link to serve as a guide for future articles and put the external link in the page proper.

Putting an external link in the list (to anywhere, not just to commercial sites like Amazon) leads users away from the wiki and provides zero incentive to create the required article in this wiki.

I have not removed the links yet, because I'd like to get your input before I spend valuable time doing something that will be undone.

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 12:57, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

A link to Amazon at least provides the reader a way to find the book in question. Personally, I have neither the time nor the resources to acquire and read every thing related to the Steampunk genre. If you wish to add a page for each link for the reader to view before proceeding to Amazon, I have no problem with that, but I very much would like to at least suggest to anyone with the least bit of interest in this site, that they should buy and read one or two books in the genre and then write aricles for this wiki. The supplier need not be Amazon, of course. If you are wont to provide more than one source for any given publication, then by all means feel free to add a link to that vendor's site. This wiki is not a true encyclopedia in the sense that we MUST be vendor neutral. Amazon is the simplest to access for most users, and if you have other sources then, by all means, add them. but please do not delete any links that show our participants how to get their hands on books or other literature. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 18:07, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Content dispute

Ever since the Mata Hari page Sings-With-Spirits has been treating any dispute as a personal insult.

  • Mata Hari, Dirigible Days, Steampunk Fashion
    • What Spirits sees as offensive may be viewed by others as acceptable or bland. Some of the art/photos (added by Spirits) on the Mata Hari page may be seen as offensive by others.
    • Spirits has been overusing words in all capital letters. That is the internet equivalent of shouting.
    • Spirits has refused to seriously debate any disagreement.
    • Prior to the Mata Hari page Spirits disagreed with some of my edits, but did not resort to anger.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 01:25, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Sings-with-Spirits does have some funny ideas on the subject of sex, but I did not see what you are complaining about on the Mata Hari page. I shall have a word with her about her obstreperous behaviour, but before I do, could you provide me with a more precise example? -- Billy Catringer (talk) 01:41, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
  • Spirits removed the Read or Die woot page artwork as offensive. However, some of the art/photos added by Spirits shows Mata wearing a bikini type outfit. The reason I added the Read or Die section was the Mata clone had a important role in the anime.
  • The Mata Cracked.com link was removed, it had information on Mata that is not on the en.wiki page.
  • The Dirigible Days dispute was over the fan film. Instead of labeling the links, Spirits removed them without seriously considering a seperate section.
  • On the Steampunk fashion page, Spirits ignored the "redundant" links for months before removing them. I believe they are needed as the Emporium websites do not always have constant interlinking. For example, for a while the Western Emporium page did not have a link to the Gentlemen's clothing section.
  • In the messages left on my message wall/page, Spirits used numerous words in all capital letters and gave the impression that dissenting opinions should be ignored.

Syalantillesfel (talk) 01:54, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I will have a word with her about her approach to dealing with a fellow Admin. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 01:58, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to explain that I often use capitalization for emphasis when writing; it is not intended to be seen as shouting. For example; I do NOT say "blergh" when eating broccoli.
  • Spirits removed the Read or Die woot page artwork as offensive. However, some of the art/photos added by Spirits shows Mata wearing a bikini type outfit. The reason I added the Read or Die section was the Mata clone had a important role in the anime.
The WooT image is of an absurdly over-endowed hypersexified anime girl. I found it exploitive, offensive and completely unnecessary for the article. The images of Mata Hari herself are in a historical context which presents her as a strong, confident woman who is NOT (note the use of capitalization for emphasis) drawn as fetish fuel fanservice.
  • The Mata Cracked.com link was removed, it had information on Mata that is not on the en.wiki page.
To be honest, it was a long time ago and I don't remember exactly why I removed the link, but I do remember clearly that I did go to the linked site and felt that it was basically a rehash of the information already present in the article. I also distinctly remember ploughing through a TON (yes, capitallization again, for emphasis) of links to completely superfluous links.
  • The Dirigible Days dispute was over the fan film. Instead of labeling the links, Spirits removed them without seriously considering a seperate section.
I stand by my decisions on the DD page. It was quite a while ago, but looking at the notes, I see things like: "The added reviews are for an unrelated film; without any description or explanation, these links only serve to confuse the reader of the article." I don't remove relevant links arbitrarily.
  • On the Steampunk fashion page, Spirits ignored the "redundant" links for months before removing them. I believe they are needed as the Emporium websites do not always have constant interlinking. For example, for a while the Western Emporium page did not have a link to the Gentlemen's clothing section.
The links are redundant. To quote my note: ""Historical Emporium" link directly links to the other pages; there is no need for the redundancy: the link to Historical Emporium is enough."
It literally links to a page that all it does is link to the other four pages, thus, it is redundant to link to both the main page AND all four subordinate pages. There might have been a missing link in the past, but that is no longer the case.
  • In the messages left on my message wall/page, Spirits used numerous words in all capital letters and gave the impression that dissenting opinions should be ignored.
I initially removed the links. When they were restored, I removed them with an explanation. They were then again restored. I then left a message on Syalantillesfel's page, explaining the reasons why they were removed. I then stated that I'd be removing them, adding: "If you have a compelling reason to reinstate them, please discuss it first to prevent miscommunication." I have received no further communication.
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 02:42, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
"In THIS wiki, so long as I have a say in the matter, the ONLY link in the article to anything even relating"
This does not indicate a willingness to debate content and/or listen to dissent.
Rather that removing a link, label it. You did not dispute the Dirigible links after I labeled them.
What you see as offensive others might not. The comic art on the Mata page was drawn for fanservice.
Syalantillesfel (talk) 02:52, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
I know others don't find it offensive. I also know that there are those who don't find coprophagy offensive: I do find the image offensive. Besides its sheer offensiveness, it is completely unnecessary: A) the character, besides her name, has absolutely nothing to do with the real world Mata Hari, who is the subject of the article, B) there are non-fetish fuel, non-fanservice pics of the character that could be used instead, and C) it is not even an official pic of the character; it's fanart. I'm sure that there are people who LOVE (capitalized for emphasis) that pic, but it does not belong in this wiki.
Are you arguing that the pic in question belongs in this wiki?
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 03:29, August 21, 2015 (UTC)


Regarding your statement: "This does not indicate a willingness to debate content and/or listen to dissent."
You took the statement out of context. The entire statement, and its in-context following paragraph, follows:
"In THIS wiki, so long as I have a say in the matter, the ONLY link in the article to anything even relating to the RoD OVA would me a simple mention of the clone on that OVA with a link to the RoD page (or the clone's own page, if you want to make it)."
"Mata Hari is NOT in the OVA, and even if she were, it does not warrant half of the links to be dedicated to her."
This is not the RoD wiki, the RoD Mata Hari has nothing to do with the real Mata Hari, and the majority of (unlabeled, I must say) external links related directly to the RoD anime character, and were completely unrelated to the topic of the article. I stand by my decision.
--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 03:49, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Hello Mr Catringer,

I am new to this Wiki, and a bit clueless - I just wrote the Article on La Frontare Victoriana . We are very busy promoting ourselves in Germany and want to go worldwide - So I thought we'd enlist our Group here. Now - how would I, (if everything in this Article was in order, of course) move the Article to the "Band"'s List? Or is that your task?

Glad to read from you, have a pleasant Day!

Tim FriederichEugenius (talk) 13:57, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Steampunk?

Hi, Billy!

User 75.155.182.36 added Carmen Hillary to the List of steampunk bands with the caption: "added myself to steam punk bands list."

I've checked it out, both the link provided and independent research, and have to admit that I really like the music... but I don't see even the slightest hint of steampunk; in the provided link there are several influences listed in the biography, but nowhere is she described as "steampunk".

Normally, I'd just remove the link, but find myself in the odd quandary that if 75.155.182.36 is indeed Carmen Hillary, she could be "coming out" as steampunk... or she could simply be using the list as free advertising.

I think that the best way to deal with this issue is to A) remove the listing, and B) add a note to contact an Admin, to confirm the identity and discuss if she really sees herself as steampunk (and thus belonging on the list), and if she does, ask if there is a site that places more emphasis on her steampunk side.

Given the diplomatic nature of this issue, I'm seeking your opinion before I do anything.

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 02:54, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Sings-with-Spirits,
I agree with your plan. Ms. Hillary must declare herself as being part of the steampunk movement/genre before her works may be listed here. I have already made a public comment on her apparent lack of steam, so please do proceed. -- Billy Catringer (talk) 09:31, July 6, 2016 (UTC)